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Post by Mrs. Beach on Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:07 pm

Here are Dreamweaver's four babies on Day 15 (yesterday). The lighter ones are both female and the darker ones are both male. They are either A^y/*, e/e, or both. (50% chance A^y. 25% chance e/e.) I think it is possible that the darker ones are b/b. They are not agouti. Butterscotch and milk chocolate!






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Post by GypsyTails on Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:50 pm

Beautiful babies, Ann! I can't get my Red to breed. He's a lazy, fat man! Laughing

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Post by Mrs. Beach on Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:01 pm

Hey, my red buck, Golden Monkey, is also fat! Are reds often obese? Is it the obesity gene, the same one that attaches itself to A^vy?

I do plan to breed Dreamweaver and Golden Monkey again, hoping to get a red x-brindle. I could offer you red babies, if you like. The thing is, since the parents are E/e and e/e, I will not be able to guarantee a baby to be A^y. It could be A^y and/or e/e. Don't know if you want to deal with that confusion. There's 50% chance A^y and only 25% chance e/e, so you'd have a good chance!

What are your breeding goals for red?
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Post by inkeduptara on Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:11 pm

Very beautiful babies.

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Post by Rhasputin on Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:20 pm

Reds, like recessive yellows and brindles, are often fat. tongue
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Post by Stina on Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:29 pm

None of the e/e's I've ever had...ever...have had any sort of obesity issues in any way.

Ay's are most definitely prone to obesity though.

Ann, b/b CLEARS the color on e/e and Ay mice....removes sootiness. Agouti does as well. Why do you assume none of them are agouti based?....Dreamweaver is cinnamon, which means she is A/*....so at least 1/2 of her offspring should be agouti based, based on her ped its entirely possible she's A/A.....Flying Monkey could also be Ay/A based on his ped.

From what I see its likely the darker ones are agouti or black (probably agouti based on the ped) based and the lighter ones are b/b and/or cinnamon based.

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Post by kawmice on Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:47 pm

Beautiful pups! I love Their color!
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Post by GypsyTails on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:49 pm

Mrs. Beach wrote:Hey, my red buck, Golden Monkey, is also fat! Are reds often obese? Is it the obesity gene, the same one that attaches itself to A^vy?

I do plan to breed Dreamweaver and Golden Monkey again, hoping to get a red x-brindle. I could offer you red babies, if you like. The thing is, since the parents are E/e and e/e, I will not be able to guarantee a baby to be A^y. It could be A^y and/or e/e. Don't know if you want to deal with that confusion. There's 50% chance A^y and only 25% chance e/e, so you'd have a good chance!

What are your breeding goals for red?

I got Red to experiment with Tan, but no luck yet. Cinnamon seems to have really made a difference in the belly color, and top color, so I wanted to see if Red did too. When I put my Chocolate Tans from the Cinnamon next to my Chocolate Tans who are not from the Cinnamon outcross, you see a BIG difference. I had to take my Choc Tan doe out from my Red since they weren't breeding and she's getting older though. I was also experimenting with Red and X-Brindle while I had Red. X-Brindle is a nice side project because I don't have to keep a billion mice for it. I just use the best bucks from one of my existing main projects- Blue or Black. I had an extra X-Brindle doe so I put her with my Red since he is having issues with the sex drive. When I have some extra Tans again, I'll try again. For now my Red buck has his Xie doe and Dove doe for company. Maybe he'll surprise me one day!

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Post by Stina on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:12 pm

Any mouse from a line that produces heavy pheomelanins (yellow/red pigment) will improve tan belly color.....be the individual mouse Ay, e/e, agouti, cinnamon, chocolate...... The genetic color of the mouse being used has little bearing...it is the lines it comes from and the modifiers it has that matters

Melissa, when is the last time your red buck was alone? If its been a long time, try taking all his cagemates out for a week or so and then reintroduce them...it can help kick his sex drive into gear...lol

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Post by Mrs. Beach on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:24 pm

Stina, my assumption none was A was because I furled their fur backwards and all the hairs seemed to be one color all the way along. Is there another way to know?
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Post by Stina on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:40 pm

breeding. With e/e and Ay you cannot tell for sure by looking at them if they are agouti or not. However you can get hints...black based e/e and Ay tend to be the most sooty...as agouti removes some black, you get a slightly less sooty animal...as chocolate removes ALL black, you generally get an animal with no sootiness Wink

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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:34 pm

Wow! A^y is a whole different WORLD of genetics! This is really cool! Thanks, Stina!

Melissa, so you are after red x-brindles, also. If I should get an extra one next litter, would you be interested in having her? Or is the point that you want to make your own?
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Post by IrisheaglesOne on Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:36 pm

They are beautiful!
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:09 pm

Happy you like them!
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Post by mouselover01 on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:12 pm

I'm excited! Go on yahoo!
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Post by GypsyTails on Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:10 am

Stina wrote:Any mouse from a line that produces heavy pheomelanins (yellow/red pigment) will improve tan belly color.....be the individual mouse Ay, e/e, agouti, cinnamon, chocolate...... The genetic color of the mouse being used has little bearing...it is the lines it comes from and the modifiers it has that matters

Melissa, when is the last time your red buck was alone? If its been a long time, try taking all his cagemates out for a week or so and then reintroduce them...it can help kick his sex drive into gear...lol

He is "too dark" so I was hoping that would help the Tans from the non Cinnamon "enhanced" outcross. Since he was taking too long I crossed the non "enhanced" Tans to the "enhanced" Tans. We'll see. He hasn't been alone for a month and a half or so. I guess I could remove the ladies for a bit. Laughing

Mrs. B, I just liked the look of Red X-Brindle and since I had an extra Chocolate carrying doe that I couldn't use for the Blue X-Brindles, I gave her to him. It's not imperative that I have Red X-Brindle. Just an afterthought. But by all means, if you get an extra girl later who would fit into the jigsaw puzzle down here, give me a poke!

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Post by Mrs. Beach on Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:45 am

OK! I'll be crossing Dreamweaver and Golden Monkey again in three months.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:53 pm

Day 20, with Dreamweaver:


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Post by thistlebrook on Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:25 pm

Love those colors! Pretty mice. Happy
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Post by LittleSniffs on Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:23 am

Look at that long tail in the last picture! Almost looks longer then Buttercups! LOL
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Post by Jenni on Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:26 am

Those are really cool colors!

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Post by lunalady on Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:54 am

Very nice litter.

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Post by Mrs. Beach on Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:41 pm

Thanks, folks! These four babies have all been adopted, now, so sadly no more pix.
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Post by LittleSniffs on Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:40 pm

Well poo :-(
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