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Post by Mrs. Beach on Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:04 pm

I was just wondering, what does A^y d/d look like? Would it be the same kind of buff color an A^vy d/d is? Are there any colors that A^y would enhance, like b/b, apparently, in Dreamweaver's litter? I've heard of "golden agouti". Is that A^y/A?
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Post by Rhasputin on Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:22 pm

Well when you mix e/e with d/d you get 'blue fawn' Stina has a photo of one that's quite clear. I would imagine that mixing Ay with d/d would be the same or very similar in colour.
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Post by Stina on Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:12 pm

Yes, I believe it would do the same though...though I haven't seen one that is Ay.

This is the e/e d/d doe that casey is referring to...

2010-12-07 Mice 007 by CSBeck, on Flickr

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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:37 pm

OK...interesting! So how can A^y be used to enhance other colors? Melissa was posting about enhancing tans with A^y. I imagine it would enhance any of the phaeoalamine(sp?) colors. (I still have not learned that word yet! I know what it means, though! How do you say it?)
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Post by Rhasputin on Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:58 pm

The Ay gene itself wil not enhance other colours. A good Ay will enhance other colours which need red pigment, just like a dark red e/e would, or a dark red brindle would.

It is the same as black. Breeding a plain black to a blue won't necessarily enhance the colours. Breeding a show black to a blue, probably will enhance the colours and pigmented areas.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:02 pm

Um, your first paragraph is what I was--in very non-technical speech--trying to ask about. So A^y would "enhance" (in my meaning of the word) e/e or A^vy. Or A? Or A/* b/b, as Gypsy was saying? I wonder what A^y/A b/b e/e would look like? Or, this being the Brindle Empire, A^y/A^vy b/b e/e.

Whoa, doggies! And if that mouse were ae/ae...uh, too many A-locus genes. But if you could, it would be a rich red brindle with deep black stripes. Hmmmmm. How would I go about breeding a rich red brindle with deep black stripes?
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Post by Rhasputin on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:08 pm

Ay itself will NOT enhance them.

If the Ay is dark red, it will help improve red pigment. The gene itself does not improve red pigment. A poor Ay will not help a tan be darker, in other words, because a poor Ay is yellow in colour, and does not have red pigment to help the tan on another mouse.

So to sum up:

The Ay gene does not help improve other colours.

A show quality red mouse, no matter what the genotype, will.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:13 pm

Aye, and that's what I have!
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Re: A^y mixed with other colors

Post by Stina on Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:06 pm

Any mouse from a line that produces animals with heavy pheomelanins (which is the yellow/red pigments!) will help redden the color of lines with low pheomelanins. The mouse from the line with heavy pheomelanins does NOT have to be red or yellow....ANY mouse from that line will have the modifiers to improve another line. It is the modiiers (many less noticeable genes working together) that produce the deep rich colors vs. paler colors.

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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:32 pm

So any phenotypically really red mouse works!
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Post by Stina on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:49 pm

They don't even have to be "red" per say. ANY color mouse from a line that produces animals with heavy pheomelanins will help improve reds in other lines......be it a black, agouti, chocolate, cinnamon etc.....you just wouldn't want to use something like blue that dilutes red colors...unless you are going for blue tan...lol A really good tan with a super rich belly would even have the pheomelanin modifiers needed to improve the red in other lines.

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Re: A^y mixed with other colors

Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:12 pm

INteresting!
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