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Post by Mrs. Beach on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:32 pm

cimicifuga@hotmail.com (thapsus at TFM) had this turn up in her litter.

She says, "Litter of three, 2 bucks and 1 doe. The doe is normal agouti but the boys certainly are not. Sire of the litter is agouti (agouti-agouti) and dam is cinnamon (agouti-chocolate brindled). Here are the boys."

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and another one,
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TFM thread is: http://forum.thefunmouse.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21237&p=156633&hilit=agouti#p156633

Thapsus did not want to join another forum but gave me permission to post her pix and her email address.

Does anybody have an idea what causes this?



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Post by Stina on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:42 pm

Oh I saw this mouse on Facebook....no idea...lol

I don't feel like replying on FMB...lol but I don't think it could possibly be B^w...according to Jax B^w is dominant and a radiation induced mutation...its extraordinarily unlikely for a radiation induced mutation to have occured randomly....especially when it is a dominant allele, there are 2 offspring with the phenotype, and both parents have normal coloration.

It's definitely not silver gray.

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Post by Lycrisa on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:29 pm

Wow! I dunno but that's pretty cool looking.
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Post by bethmccallister on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:38 pm

Whoa what the heck? That's totally crazy looking!
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Post by Love2read on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:49 pm

Lycrisa wrote:Wow! I dunno but that's pretty cool looking.

Ditto!

I want one!!! Woot!
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Post by Laigaie on Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:12 pm

The whiter one is definitely one seriously awesome mouse! Breeding back to mum, if at all possible, might produce more, and a new thing is always fun!
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Post by kawmice on Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:54 pm

Wow!!! I have never seen a mouse like that! I love him!
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Post by jencandy on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:54 am

If she ends up with more of these, I would definitely be interested in adopting a few!

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Post by m137b on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:27 pm

I have no idea if this is the gene, but it's worth a look.

http://www.informatics.jax.org/marker/MGI:98969
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Post by Rhasputin on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:41 pm

Someone should be able to email them with photos, and they can likely put you in contact with a geneticist. I've done it before when I had questions about a mouse phenotype. Happy
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Re: agouti with white undercoat

Post by thapsus on Sat May 05, 2012 5:47 pm

Hi. I'm the breeder of these two, couldn't not to join after all. Laughing Thanks to Mrs. Beach!

That is a great suggestion m137b!

Here are the boys now at six weeks of age.













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Post by Frizzle on Sat May 05, 2012 6:14 pm

They are just so exotic looking, way cool! I like the thicker, darker one the best.
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Post by Stina on Sat May 05, 2012 8:21 pm

OMG...that darker boy is absolutely STUNNING!!! Both of them are really cool looking...but that darker boy is really awesome! ....wish you were in the US!! lol

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Post by kawmice on Sat May 05, 2012 8:52 pm

Wow- they are very stunning indeed! I love them! Glad you joined the forum and glad you posted updated pics. Just......... WOW. Lol.
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Post by seafolly on Sat May 05, 2012 11:12 pm

He needs a lion sort of name!
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Post by kawmice on Sat May 05, 2012 11:28 pm

Haha! I agree! Happy
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Post by doganddisc on Sun May 06, 2012 1:00 am

Wow!! Stunning!
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Post by thapsus on Mon May 07, 2012 4:40 pm

So, next litter of same kind. Same father in this and previous white underfur litters.

In this 3 weeks old litter 2 does have light underfur.









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Post by candycorn on Mon May 07, 2012 4:44 pm

Facinating...and lovely! Those long haired boys are incredible!
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Post by Stina on Mon May 07, 2012 5:57 pm

Yay more! ...they're so pretty!

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Post by Laigaie on Tue May 08, 2012 5:42 pm

I'm so glad to hear this was reproduced! You mentioned that the father was the same. Are the two mothers related?
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Post by kawmice on Tue May 08, 2012 9:53 pm

Oh wow. Happy I love them!
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Post by Love2read on Tue May 08, 2012 11:12 pm

Is there any chance that you could share their pedigrees with us? Maybe someone here in the US might be able to reproduce some similar little beauties!
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Post by thapsus on Wed May 09, 2012 1:56 pm

Yes mothers are related and also related to the father. Father is my best long haired agouti. He is 19 months old already and I've been trying to spread his genes to my lines as much as possible lately. Got some surprises while doing so.

There's however nothing special in their pedigrees. Some agouti, black and cinnamon. Only agouti in fathers pedigree as far as I know. There still is the possibility that the dad is the only one passing it. I must try pairing white based to each other when girls are ready to get pregnant in four months or so.
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Post by SCMousery on Wed May 09, 2012 4:10 pm

They're cool looking that's for sure!

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