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White tan possible?

Post by [Dino] on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:06 pm

How does one get a white tan mouse? Is it even possible? I've heard of a german breeder who has them, but I don't get how it's possible to get a white mouse with a tan belly... Anyone that knows the genetics behind it? Photo's would be nice to Happy

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Post by Stina on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:10 pm

So far as I'm aware a truly WHITE mouse with a tan belly is impossible. However you could breed dove to be nearly white with a bright tan belly....

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Post by Rhasputin on Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:34 pm

Silver tans work really well as 'white' tans. They're very striking.

There was some discussion on what this mouse was, but I think the conclusion was that it was a silver tan. Happy
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Post by [Dino] on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:25 pm

Oh I had no idea! They really do look white Happy Is the mouse yours?

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Post by Stina on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:26 pm

It's probably really a dove "silver" though....since blue greatly decreases orange pigment and makes it extremely difficult to get a good tan belly....but yeah, that's what it looks like to me. It doesn't look quite white, but close.

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Post by Rhasputin on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:30 pm

This mouse does not belong to me, would you like me to pass on contact information for the owner? Happy
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Post by [Dino] on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:37 pm

I think I know where you got the picture then, I know zoo della luna, thats why I asked tongue Sharon from Belgium right?

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Post by [Dino] on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:50 pm

So this is the only way to have a white tan? No other possibilities? Of course c-dilutions are out of the question, but anything with bew?

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Post by Rhasputin on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:54 pm

I think it will only work with silver or dove.

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Post by Rhasputin on Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:15 pm

Also yes, that is Sharon's mouse. Happy
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Post by Laigaie on Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:14 pm

If you used the piebald-origin BEW, you'd have to have a mouse with all the spots on the top, which would be insanely difficult. Other forms of BEW are dilution-based, meaning no tan.
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Post by Rhasputin on Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:17 pm

There's also piebald x variegated BEW, which I don't think will work either, but I'm not sure.
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Post by Stina on Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:22 pm

Definitely wouldn't....b/c the white spotting blots out the tan. I don't think a spotting based tan would ever have any chance of working. All the white spotting genes kinda work from the belly up....with most of the spotting always being on the belly, and it takes a LOT of work to get it close to even having the spotting even from top to belly.

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Post by kawmice on Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:51 pm

Wow- interresting. First of all I would like to say that I really like that mouse. Happy

I agree about the spotted gene. Working with both spotted (s/s) and tan (at) I can definately say that it is vitually impossible to get a solid tan belly. You can have a black broken (pied) Tan but the tan will be splotches on the belly, not a solid tan color.

It is hard to get a good silver tan. It takes a lot of time and selective breeding. Even I got discouraged and stopped my silver tan lines. But I have seen some beautiful and stunning silver tans. I think with the right breeding you definately can achieve a mouse that looks like tje one above and even lighter if bred correctly.
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