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Post by seafolly on Fri May 18, 2012 2:19 am

Around 6 pm (the 17th) I saw my first litter being born. Big smile I was/am completely beside myself. That first wriggle...oh my, I'm in love.

The tank was pulled out a bit so I could look in without disturbing her. Seems like a few are already really ahead, gorging themselves, and a few others could use a turn. : / I keep counting 7 babies but 8 is definitely possible (heck, why not more from this angle).



I did not factor in the life I'd be witnessing. My rat pinkies always seemed to be sleeping so I forgot to factor in the whole "full of life" thing. This will be much harder than I expected (culling).


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Post by bethmccallister on Fri May 18, 2012 3:48 pm

7 or 8 isn't a terrible number to let thrive if their milk bands stay that huge!
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Post by kawmice on Fri May 18, 2012 6:25 pm

aww!! Congrats!
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Post by doganddisc on Fri May 18, 2012 7:08 pm

Yay!! Congrats!!
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Post by seafolly on Fri May 18, 2012 7:23 pm

Thanks guys!

And yeah the number isn't worrisome at all to me but unfortunately not all babies are getting that much milk. My original intent was to remove the boys (their father is probably the stinkiest male I've ever had!) as they'll be nearly impossible to find homes for but seeing varying baby sizes (that big sucker is not reflective of the others) I'm not sure which path to take. : /
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Post by Laigaie on Fri May 18, 2012 7:42 pm

Males will naturally be bigger than females. Removing them will help the girls catch up, and removing them earlier will help more than removing them later. I know it's hard pulling out the biggest ones, but it really does make a huge difference.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Fri May 18, 2012 10:04 pm

Male babies drink more milk than females. Removing the males will give you better-nourished females.
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Post by seafolly on Sat May 19, 2012 1:24 pm

*nods* You guys are right. I think I'll go in there tonight after she's had a full 48 hours with them. If 3 days isn't necessary I'd certainly rather do it earlier.

(sexing isn't harder at day 2 is it? :p)
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Post by seafolly on Sun May 20, 2012 1:56 pm



http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/pynbahl/Mice/

^ I photographed what I think are the male genitals. Please tell me if you see a female!

Also...thoughts on keeping the runt with only three definite keepers?
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Post by tinyhartmouseries on Sun May 20, 2012 4:53 pm

If you keep the runt, it's entirely possible that it will live a normal life. I've not had a runt live more than a year though.
It's also possible that the runt will starve and become skin and bones and you will need to cull it when it's much cuter and more difficult for you.

I have kept a litter of three, lots of breeders have had natural litters of two or even one and no one is affected negatively. Three healthy is better milk-wise then four.
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Post by seafolly on Sun May 20, 2012 4:57 pm

Thank you so much for replying! Happy The cuteness wouldn't matter to me so much so long as someone else can euthanize (a vet, in that case, as I have no contacts nearby).

I'm definitely stalling.
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Post by seafolly on Mon May 21, 2012 4:00 pm

That was rough. Really rough. But these three are still here so I'm focusing on enjoying them as best I can. Any coat guesses? Today is Day 4 and all three have black eyes.

Dad is beige/stone. Mum is a broken recessive yellow. Both satin, one is longhaired.

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Post by seafolly on Tue May 22, 2012 2:35 pm

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Post by doganddisc on Tue May 22, 2012 3:04 pm

Aw chubby babies!
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Post by kawmice on Tue May 22, 2012 11:39 pm

Very cute!

You should get all satins since both patents are satins. You may get a satin longhair if the patent who is not longhair is a carrier. Longhair (or angora) is a recessive gene. All the pups should be carriers. Breed them to each other or a pup to the longhair parent to get longhaired mice. Happy

Color- I believe spotted is dom and I know self is recessive. My guess would be that these three will be broken / pied. Color can be tricky. If depends on what they carry.

Hope i helped!
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Post by lunalady on Wed May 23, 2012 7:45 am

Good luck with your new babies. Keep updating those photos.

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Post by seafolly on Wed May 23, 2012 10:57 am

kawmice wrote:Very cute!

You should get all satins since both patents are satins. You may get a satin longhair if the patent who is not longhair is a carrier. Longhair (or angora) is a recessive gene. All the pups should be carriers. Breed them to each other or a pup to the longhair parent to get longhaired mice. Happy

Color- I believe spotted is dom and I know self is recessive. My guess would be that these three will be broken / pied. Color can be tricky. If depends on what they carry.

Hope i helped!

Thanks! Happy Yeah the satin part I knew, and was told to expect a few long haireds, but since I culled down to three I'm not holding my breath. I'd put money on the dad being a LH carrier simply because he was the only SH in the tank.

I think the right girl (looks pale blue now) will have markings looking at her nose, but I have no idea about the other two. Watching coats come in is new to me of course. Big smile I have to Google what pied is, as I never really got the difference with splashed, variegated, broken, even, pied, etc. Vague ideas but not solid.

Is angora a different gene? I'm definitely keen on angora, LH I'm kinda "meh" about as the mother didn't keep her coat as well as my elderly mice have. Actually just rereading your post I'm wondering if it's the same gene. Is that why LH is go/go? (looks like it could be angora, haha)
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Post by Laigaie on Wed May 23, 2012 4:03 pm

Longhair and angora are different genes. However, it can be hard to tell which one you have. Angora is go/go, and longhair is lgh/lgh. Longhairs are frequently described as having really long guard hairs, while angora has all the fur long. That said, it is perfectly possible to breed a lgh who looks go, as so much of coat length is down to modifiers. Great modifiers with either gene will give you a great coat. I call my mice "longhair" but have no reason to believe that they are lgh vs go. I simply find it easier to shorten to LH and LHS and SH and SHS. I suppose if I got my hands on a mouse that I knew was go, or knew was lgh, and did a test breeding, I could tell. Since they're different genes on different loci, breeding a go/go to a lgh/lgh will give you a double-carrier shorthaired mouse.
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Post by Rhasputin on Wed May 23, 2012 4:08 pm

Lgh and go, so much confusion!

Reminds me of when I had caracal and rex in the same line. . . Some people swore they could tell the difference visually, but heck, it all looks like a curly mouse to me!
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Post by seafolly on Wed May 23, 2012 8:06 pm

Ack, for some reason I thought lgh and go were the same thing thanks to a website I didn't follow, haha. Perhaps my two older girls are angora because their coats are still long at a year old (but nothing compared to what I've seen posted here). Momma would just be a long haired. The buck is SHS so I couldn't tell with him, unfortunately. Though I doubt anyone thinks Tully is angora Happy

Caracal? Okay, just when I thought I knew all the types.



Two blues? Or is the paler one lilac? Can we even know at this juncture?
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Post by Rhasputin on Wed May 23, 2012 9:31 pm

Looks like a black, a white, and a blue? Happy
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Post by seafolly on Wed May 23, 2012 9:49 pm

Seems like the consensus! What threw me is the black was as pink as everyone else on Day 3. I didn't know there are fair skinned mice. ^^ I definitely want to do this pairing again as I missed knowing what the red eyed's were (they were bucks). I wouldn't mind having another recessive yellow or undermarked brindle or whatever Tully is.
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Post by seafolly on Fri May 25, 2012 12:33 am





I don't know anymore.
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Post by doganddisc on Fri May 25, 2012 1:07 am

Oooh I love the furry stage Big smile

The middle baby looks like a dark recessive yellow. Baby on the bottom looks like pied RY.

These were babies from my RY litter (pet store mouse that I didn't know was pregnant!):



They were all RY.
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Post by seafolly on Fri May 25, 2012 12:39 pm

I was hoping to see a photo! Big smile Thanks! Interesting! So even the BEW is likely RY? The black one really does seem to be plain black but I'll take another peek at the developments today. So we know they're RY because of the mother, and the golden glow?
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