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Post by madmouse on Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:21 pm

A few months ago I saw an agouti self feeder buck at a pet shop. I liked the look of him (he had much better size and shape than his feeder-tank mates) and I was told that he may carry a gene for "flat, pinned back" ears. So I brought him home. I've experimentally bred him to two different does (an agouti rex and a pied or possibly poor tri-color fuzzy). In both litters I was interested in some babies that had a similar neat facial marking. Later I saw pix of Hereford mice (which I'd never seen before) and wondered if, with much careful selective breeding, these guys' lines could eventually produce Herefords. From what I understand (and please! correct me if I'm wrong) Herefords are simply s/s with a very specifec pattern. The first two pix are of a lightly diluted agouti pied doe and a full-color agouti pied doe from the same mother. The last is a black pied buck from another mother. The fact that they are all undermarked was also interesting since Herefords are solid-colored (the pied genes in both mothers' lines are very much *overmarked*).








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Post by kawmice on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:57 pm

Hmmmm..... Can't see the pics. Maybe it is just my phone?
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Post by doganddisc on Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:30 am

I don't see photos either. :/
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Post by Stina on Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:20 am

They aren't jpg's, so they won't post as images. If you right click, go to properties, and copy and paste the link it will take you to the images.

They are just pied or banded. It's not uncommon to have a bald face like that.

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Post by doganddisc on Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:50 am

Stina wrote:They aren't jpg's, so they won't post as images. If you right click, go to properties, and copy and paste the link it will take you to the images.

That's the thing, I don't even see options for what might be images. Just text. No links, no urls. Odd.
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Post by Stina on Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:09 am

Mine shows the little red x

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Post by Laigaie on Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:46 am

My understanding is that Hereford is its own gene (wn for white nose). It can be replicated with s/s mice eventually and through much work and effort, and you probably could get some decent herefords with the modifiers you've got. For show, in addition to the white face, you're looking for the white feet, half-white tail, and a bar on the belly.

ETA: That second mouse is your best bet for getting more herefords. You'll want to select against the body spotting, of course.


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Post by doganddisc on Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:49 am

Stina wrote:Mine shows the little red x

I looked at it on my phone and I see the red ex there. Just not on my computer. Interesting!

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Post by madmouse on Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:58 am

I think I finally have the pix figured out! Sorry about the technical difficulties, I not very computer-savvy lol. And thanks for the advice Laigaie; I had no idea that there was a separate gene for Herefords.

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Post by kawmice on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:05 am

Yup. Hereford is indeed a totally seperate gene. You can replicate the pattern fairly close to a true Hereford with lots of time and patience but they will not be true hetefords. When I get home I will post a few Hereford pics.

Also, my own personal work with herefords yielded a few odd eyed beauties. Happy
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Post by madmouse on Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:29 pm

kawmice wrote:Also, my own personal work with herefords yielded a few odd eyed beauties. Happy

You mean like a red eye and a pink eye? Like an odd-eyed rat?

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Post by kawmice on Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:15 am

No, a red eye and a black eye. Lol.

Sorry I did get to those pics yet. I promise I will soon and I will post my odd eye up for you to see.
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Post by madmouse on Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:29 pm

A red eye and a black eye? Neato! Was the red eye within the white part of the face, the way some horses and dogs have a blue eye within a white facial patch?

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Post by doganddisc on Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:22 am

[quote="madmouse"]A red eye and a black eye? Neato! Was the red eye within the white part of the face, the way some horses and dogs have a blue eye within a white facial patch?[/quote

Actually, dogs tend to have the lighter eye in the darker facial patch- for reasons unknown.
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