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Chrysalis' brindle tri babies?

Post by Mrs. Beach on Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:23 pm

This is my Super Line, descended from Super Girl. I am breeding for c^ch/c^e brindle tricolors.

Mother: Chrysalis = A^vy/a c^e/c^e s/s Spl/*
Father: Tuxton = a^t/A c^ch/c^ch d/d Sa/sa s/s
(Tuxton has a white tail tip. Perhaps he is S/s.)

The babies on Day 7:




Seems to me the three on the right and the two pied ones are A^vy. The one in the middle would be plain c^ch/c^e. And what, pray tell, is the entirely pink one????? Chrysalis is extremely high white. Could the entirely pink one be entirely covered with s/s? I was thinking she might be a plain old A^vy brindle--but she couldn't! All babies must be c^ch/c^e, and besides, there's no orange showing on her, and there is on those other darker bubs.

The colored butt spot of the higher white baby is a lighter shade than its colored head spots, so I'm hoping it is a tri.
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Post by Laigaie on Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:54 am

Would an undermarked (all-orange) Avy ce/ch mouse not be all white? If not, then high-white s/s would be your next best bet, I agree.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:07 am

A^vy/* c^e/c^e I have discovered is a pale, creamy yellow, so c^ch/c^e being two shades darker...yeah, might still look like a pink mouse. I am hoping that an A^vy/* c^ch/c^e will be the color of Mrs. Beach in my avatar. If not, I'll need to go to c^ch/c^ch. But you've got a point, there. Waiting for furrrr!
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Post by Laigaie on Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:24 pm

Well, perhaps you've got the orange/white part down, and the mouse will be useful when bred to more densely-striped mice?
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:22 pm

There is a smudge of orange on the pink one's back. Hard to see. Perhaps it is going to be my brindle tri. I am thinking the three brownish ones that I think are A^vy (still do, because of their orange case) are also agouti. I'd forgotten that Tuxton is a^t/A.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:18 pm

Day 10:


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Post by Laigaie on Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:06 am

Oh, wow! You can really see that orange splashing coming through, now.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:40 pm

So, yeah, I am thinking that someone's c-dilutes are not what I had supposed because there should be no white babies with splashes in this litter.
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Post by seafolly on Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:43 am

Oh my goodness. Loving that orange splash! <3
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:04 pm

I WANT TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THE DARKER ONES.

Here's everybody:


Here are the three darkest. I am looking for c^ch!





The lighest one of these three with what I think is a dilute self (smaller one). I also think it may be brindle. Any chance of c^ch?

Attempted shot of its nose. Do you see stripes?


The pied/splashed ones.




Anybody see nose stripes?

I think they are both splashed on their right flanks. Look at this pic:

That would make them c^ch/c^e brindle tricolor candidates.

What do people thing?

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Post by Mrs. Beach on Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:08 pm

Sunshine pix, Day 15.




Splashed butts?


Whatever dilute the pieds are, they're the same as this self, I think:


Now for the dilutes. I think the three big ones are the same dilute, but two are agouti, and possibly umbrous. I keep thinking they look chinchillated. (I am hoping they are. There are supposed to be 25%-50% c^ch/c^e in this litter. The fourth small one appears to be satin and possibly brindle.




The dilutes' bellies, from darkest to lightest:





Undercoats:



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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:41 pm

Here is a question: There is only one phenotypical brindle in this litter. There really should be more! This line has mainly undermarked brindles, so there won't be a lot of stripes to guide me. Some of the babies are way bigger than others.

Bub 1: Day 2=2.5g, Day 17=9.2g, a^t/a D/d c^ch/c^e s/s, Spl?/* (lesser high white)
Bub 2: Day 2=2.5g, Day 17=12.0g, a^t/* c^ch/c^e, medium dilute fox self
Bub 3: Day 2=2.4g, Day 17=8.6g, a^t/* c^ch/c^e, s/s Spl?/* (greater high white)
Bub 4: Day 2=2.4g, Day 17=12.3g, */a c^ch/c^e, darkest dilute self
Bub 5: Day 2=2.3g, Day 17=12.3g, a^t/* c^ch/c^e Spl?/*, second darkest dilute fox self
Bub 6: Day 2=2.3g, Day 17=8.6g, A^vy?/* c^ch/c^e, lightest dilute self
Bub 7: Day 2=2.2g, Day 17=12.0g, A^vy/a^t? c^e/c^e, s/s, Spl/*, brindle tricolor

You will notice the randomness of the relationship between Day 2 weights and Day 17 weights. For instance, one of the heaviest Day 2 bubs is now 9.2g and the other is 12.0g. The very lightest Day 2 bub now weighs 12.0, while the next lightest bub weighs onlu 8.6g.

Could I use weights as an indication of obesity to determine which are brindles?

For breeding a c^ch/c^ch brindle tri I could cross the c^e/c^e brindle tri with one of the c^ch/c^e bubs, get a c^ch/c^e brindle tri, and then cross it to something for the other c^ch, BUT, if one of the c^ch/c^e bubs were brindle, I could cross it to another c^ch/c^e bub and possibly get a c^ch/c^ch brindle tri in just one generation. (Mrs. Beach's Brindle Empire is a very small empire and is highly concerned with economy of litters.)
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