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Post by seafolly on Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:38 pm

Blue x beige = ?



6 dark eyes (assuming that left pinky is dark eyed) and 5 pink eyes. Not what I was expecting!
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Post by seafolly on Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:56 pm

They're so small that I tried to sort genders tonight. Not happening. I swear all of them look the same (except one who was very much a girl). Does this get more obvious...? I don't remember Day 3 being difficult. My guesses were confirmed here and at FMB. (they're less than 24 hours old now)

Edit: Steadily entering panic mode. I did not have a plan for "all runts."
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Post by Laigaie on Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:47 pm

They're probably not all runts. They look fine to me. There's nothing unusual about having smaller starting weights when you have larger litters. Don't worry. You've got time. Look at girl/boy pictures, and threads where other people are second-guessing their pinkies, and by the time you need to sort them, it'll be fine.
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Post by seafolly on Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:17 am

I think I was just new at seeing Day 1 babies. Happy Serena at FMB posted her huge litter of 19 and I felt a lot better.



Day 2 was a heck of a lot clearer. The snag was I was shocked there were only four does out of eleven so I spend an hour driving myself insane, comparing all the selected ones. I ended up going with the first choice of four.
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Post by seafolly on Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:43 pm



The dark one acts like a ping pong ball. Interesting that she's so jumpy...the pink eyed pair didn't jolt once.
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Post by Laigaie on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:50 pm

I'm finding my pink-eyed mice are also pretty chill, compared to my black-eyed mice. Possibly because they're almost always bigger? Not really sure.

I suppose my c-diluted pink-eyeds don't react that way, though. Just the p/p mice.
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Post by seafolly on Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:34 am

It's funny you say that because the other dark eyed one bounced around a bit too, just not nearly to the extend of the giant dark one. Well, she was a giant. The others have caught up. She was entirely pink yesterday but decided she might possibly be blue after all.

Actually, typing as I think, of the mice I have, only Tully, the only pink eyed mouse, is chilled out (she's 13 g smaller than her daughters). The others are nutters despite being handled multiple times a day. Huh. I guess I might be keeping a pink eyed girl since I'd like to get some calmer personalities. I'd breed Tully again but her face is sooo pointy.

p/p = PEW? I'd be happy to have a satin PEW. Happy Not sure where I'd take her with breeding but at this point I miss chill mice.
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Post by Laigaie on Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:48 am

p/p is pink-eyed. P/P is black-eyed (barring c-dilutions). c/c is PEW. p/p plus black will give you dove. p/p plus blue would give you silver. p/p plus chocolate would be champagne. And so forth. All the black-eyed colors have a pink-eyed variant because the pink-eye gene dilutes their body color, too.
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Post by tinyhartmouseries on Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:09 pm

Large litters can looks quite strange indeed on day one...quite like shriveled little runties. I am glad yours are starting to cherk up!
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Post by seafolly on Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:23 pm



Man. Talk about slow fur growers!

I'm wondering if I'll see any dove or silver...otherwise I may be looking at PEW here (for two).
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Post by Laigaie on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:46 pm

These guys are looking good. Nice little belly rolls, not wrinkly really. Good looking.
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Post by seafolly on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:50 pm

Whew! I couldn't help stressing over their mother's photos at their age...she's quite fuzzed up.

I've been meaning to ask for ages as I see people wrinkling their noses at wrinkly babies...why is wrinkly bad? I'm trying to think of skin development issues but I know squat. Happy
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Post by Laigaie on Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:04 pm

Wrinkly usually means that they've got plenty of skin but no fat under it to flesh it out. Wrinkly babies are often skinny babies, and skinny babies don't tend to do as well.
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Post by seafolly on Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:34 pm

Oh I gotcha! Happy I thought it had to do with hydration or something. Someone at FMB referred to a wrinkly gene. Silly.



I'm seeing 2 PEW, 1 beige, 1 blue
Failed litter of the year award.
(in terms of unearthing other colours)
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Post by seafolly on Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:33 pm

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Post by Laigaie on Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:01 am

PEW and beige in the same litter without mice in between is a bit odd. c/c and ce/ce are opposite, and you'd be much more likely to get ce/c mice, even if you had one albino parent and one beige parent. Basically, your blue parent can't be carrying both ce and c, or else it wouldn't be C. Maybe your beiges are ce/c? Or the pews aren't c/c, but instead perhaps ce/ce p/p? Either is a possibility.
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Post by seafolly on Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:49 am

I always look forward to your responses. Happy

I did cull the 7 males so who knows who else was there. The beige looking one puzzles me a little. She looks a little blueish in person but with varying shades that are possible with colours I don't really know what to make of her. Her father is just as impossible to photograph. The father looks pretty darn ce/ce to my eye, based on the photos on FMB anyway, but I wonder how much satin is messing up my perception. ce/ce p/p meaning those little white girls might darken up? Or genotypically speaking (hey I made up a word!) they're beige but phenotypically PEW?

I don't suppose breeding the other daughters, pied RY and sooty RY (who looks an awful lot like lilac sable for the record) would unearth any clues? ce/c would be wonderful. Close enough to BEW for my liking. Happy Throw in longhaired (or astrex someday) and I'm happy!
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Post by seafolly on Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:46 pm







"Even though both ce and c are usually linked with black eyes (P), linkage with the pink eye gene p isn't unheard of. If you manage to get those in your lines, your Bones will suddenly start throwing pretty much only "PEW"." - Finnmouse

Daaangit. So this whole litter was a wash I guess? : /
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Post by seafolly on Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:11 pm

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Post by LittleSniffs on Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:24 am

Awww I love baby pictures!! So cute!
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Post by Laigaie on Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:20 am

c-p linkage is much hyped, not seen often around here. I am often told that this just means I've managed to link my c and my p, but given that line originated with pet shop stock, I'd be frankly amazed.

cece pp would mean visually pew but genetically pink-eyed beige, yes.

If you have ce/c, it would mean your pews are pews and your beiges are these. Satin would darken it rather a lot, as satin seems to darken everything. It's hard to tell, really, with the mice that you've got. More litters always means more information, but it's also more stress on you and on them.
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Post by seafolly on Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:28 am

H'okay. So the idea that the beige is actually ce/c is making more sense to me. Could whatever made my sooty RY sooty be darkening this "beige" baby too? Bone is actually what I was hoping to see all along so it's kind of funny this went from disastrous to not so bad after all. I guess I'm just wondering how I might go about lightening them. If they are indeed bone, those PEW could be c/c as you say, in which case it might be handy to hang on to a PEW and that beige girl. The problems would be neither PEWs will be long haired (kind of what I'm shooting for), and it would leave one PEW baby on her own to be adopted out. Sad So it'd really be keeping 3/4 (a breeder in the province wants the blue girl). The bone girl is a bit smaller than the PEW but she's long haired. And I think if I breed SHS to SHS I won't likely be seeing long haired in their litter...

I wish I had never ending space. Frustrated This test-crossing is tricky.

Thank you for your ongoing teaching Laigaie. Happy
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Post by Laigaie on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:02 am

I'm not teaching! I'm learning as we go along, too. Big smile
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Post by tinyhartmouseries on Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:45 pm

I see a nose point on one of the beige babies!
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Post by seafolly on Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:09 pm

I wondered!! But I'm not sure if it was just the light? I can't see it but the camera seems to. So weird.

Also weird:



She's sleeping. I swear.
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