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Post by kawmice on Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:35 am

Ok....... I have some questions on these litters. I did get alot answered on FMB a bit ago but I still have some questions and a new litter to discuss. lol

ok, so I bred a RY Standard doe to a Black Splashed buck. The Buck is as far as I know a Spl/Spl and some form of c dilute of corse since he is splashed. The doe came from a new breeder and it was questionable weather she was a e/e or a a^vy. I believe as well as a few others, that she is an e/e.

Here is what I got:
born 1/28 - total 8 pups
4 RY Does and 2 RY Bucks
1 Black Tan Buck
1 Umbrous Agouti Buck
One RY Buck was a satin

Ok...... so......
this tells me that mom carries A and is a tan since dad had no tan at all. Also tells me that both are satin carriers since I had one satin pup. What about umbrous??

parents genetic codes would be what?? I came up with this but could be totally wrong since I am still learning genetics -

Pumpkin (dam)- e/e a/at A/A sa/sa or is it e/e A/at sa/sa or something else??
Nike (sire) - Spl/Spl sa/sa

what would the pups be?
RY does and bucks - e/e a/at (or A/at) sa/sa ????????
RY satin buck - e/e a/at (or A/at) Sa/Sa ???????????
Black Tan - a/at sa/sa and what ????
Umbrous Agouti, not tan - A/A sa/sa ???????????????

My bucks matured earlier then normal and one of them (no clue who) impregnanted one of the RY does
They were born on 3/29 so must have been impregnanted just a few days after 4 weeks..... so sad. At least they are big and healthy and all are doing great. She had 7 pups who I did not cull due to the fact I want to see what these guys may carry.

So far as I can tell I have mostly black tan and one lighter color who may be agouti. Looks like I will have 1-2 RY as well. At this point I am unsure if any are satin, but it does not look likely, so my RY Satin is not the sire. I do have one very light pup with BE. I have to wait to see what he is. He could be a RY, but I am unsure.
Tell me what all of you think..................

I am keeping one of the black tans and the rest will most likely be available at fest. I have not decided yet since they are so young.
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Post by Stina on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:46 am

Satin is recessive and sa/sa...Sa/* would be non-satin

The doe, if she is indeed e/e would be A/a^t e/e Sa/sa C/C
The buck would be a/a E/e Sa/sa c^?/c^? Spl/Spl

Are you 100% sure that the one bub is agouti and not an overmarked brindle?...

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Post by kawmice on Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:07 am

I am pretty possitive he is an agouti. I will take some recent pictutes and post them at some point today. Will also take pics of the new pups.

And bare with me- genetics are not my strong front but I am trying. Lol I apologize for all the questions and I know some will be dumb.

So....... A mouse that is a satin would be sa/sa and non-satin mouse who carries would be Sa/* right?

C/C is albino right? Why would mom have this gene? And you added an E/e for the buck. Does this mean he carries e/e but is not e/e himself ?
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Post by Rhasputin on Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:33 am

Christine I'm so happy that you're learning genetics!!!! Big smile
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Post by kawmice on Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:40 pm

Thanks Casey! I am trying my hardest! I just feel pretty left out. Been breeding so long and only now really learning the actual genetics involved. But I am trying my best. Happy
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Post by kawmice on Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:42 pm

Well I got a few pics but my moms computer is crapy and won't open them. Figures. Since she changed the password my computer will not go on the net. I am going to get to bed and when I get up I will try to figure it out. Can't wait to get my internet turned on at my place
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Post by Stina on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:51 pm

Sa/sa would be satin carrier

C/C would be NON-c-diluted and not carrying any c-dilutes, since she didn't throw any diluted offspring. c/c is albino (lowercase) Uppercase letters are the dominant phenotype.

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Post by kawmice on Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:09 am

Thanks so much Stina!

You know- my boy looks agouti but he is getting so obese! I know agouti do not have the obesity gene. All his siblings are nicely sized so I know it is not my food mix.

Any thoughs on this? Maybe I do indeed have A^vy and not e/e? Dammit- my plans would have to change. Lol

I will try to get the pics up from work. He is Just such a dark mouse. You will see. He is also very squishy! Lol.
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Post by kawmice on Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:20 am

Ok - have the pictures!

First is of my "agouti" boy.




Next is of two of the other boys, his siblings




And two of the girls, same litter





and now for the new pups:



So...... what do you think??

sorry if the pics are not the greatest - I took them with my phone. They should be much bigger if you click on them though. lol

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Post by doganddisc on Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:02 am

This may be a stupid question but is it possible that the dark Buck is a really dark RY?
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Post by kawmice on Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:06 am

There are no stupid questions. Happy

RY is a yellow color and does not come in another color. They can range in shades and even be "sooty" like the other pups pictured. But they will still be a shade of yellow with black eyes. Plus the dark buck is ticked. Even sooty RY are never ticked.
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Post by doganddisc on Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:43 pm

Ahhh gotcha Happy
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Post by kawmice on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:37 pm

Yup. If things were only that easy. Lol

So....... What do you guys think?
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Post by Rhasputin on Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:23 am

I think your agouti buck it brindle! Wink
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Post by kawmice on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:06 pm

Really Casey?? I was afraid of that. So everyone else would be undermarked brindles and not Ry. Well dam............. Lol. Thanks soooo much for your input!!

Anyone else agree with him being a brindle or does anyone disagree???

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Post by Rhasputin on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:41 pm

Is he also satin?

Here's a photo of a brindle buck that I had, that looks almost identical to yours.

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Post by kawmice on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:47 pm

Oh wow. He does look like my boy!! Who btw, is still un named. Bad me. Lol.

As far as he being satin- he is ! But the weird thing- he never looked satin as a young pup! Granted he is only 9 weeks old roughly. His satin sheen came in recently. Very weird.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:30 pm

Where did your buck come from? Is there a breeder you can ask about his line?
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Post by kawmice on Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:46 pm

Sad his mother came from a kid who was a new breeder. I really liked her. No ped or anything. Another breeder said she looked to be undermarked brindle but he said he had no brindles. But then again- he probably would not have known he did if they were undermarked brindle.

Dad- a black splashed from Stina.
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Post by Stina on Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:01 am

Honestly...hard to say from the pics. Did I give you a ped for the buck?...lol

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Post by kawmice on Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:36 am

I am entering him in the show so he will be there. And no, I didn't get a ped for the buck. Not that I remember anyway. I moved shortly after last fest when all hell broke lose. Lol.

Now I have more news on the New litter and I am stumped.

Looks like I have self black pied carriers (white tip tails), one who looks to be the same agouti as my boy, a BEW , possibly a black tan, a ry broken, and a lighter color that I have no clue about yet but looks like a blue. Ok- a BEW anf ry broken??!!! What the.... Most, if not all are satins.
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Post by kawmice on Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:40 pm

I guess the broken probably came from my splashed buck. The pup, a buck, is definately a RY Broken. Just no sootyness, stripes, or ticking. So would this mean my orgional mother to the forst gen of babies had to be a RY and not an undermarked brindle? And this would mean that my agouti was indeed agouti and not brindle?? grrrr................. This litter is so weird! lol

I am probably culling the two black pied carriers today. Have not decided yet.
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Post by Stina on Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:51 pm

I wonder if that "yellow" doe could be both e/e AND A^vy.....

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Post by kawmice on Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:24 pm

Huh..... Now THAT would make a lot of sense!! It is definately something to think about!

What would her genetic code be then ? Lol
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Post by Stina on Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:36 pm

Ay/* e/e ...and whatever else is going on...lol

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