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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by kawmice on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:34 am

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Genetics can sometimes throw you unexpected curves. I have had it happen myself!

and see - tinyhart sees broken brindle! hmmmm..... could be.....

sometimes you need another pair of eyes and a different computer screen. I guess its all just a waiting game. lol
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by Rhasputin on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:05 pm

I also think bub 3 appears broken brindle.
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Post by GypsyTails on Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:01 pm

I LOVE Bub 1!!!!!

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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by Mrs. Beach on Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:09 pm

I am encouraged to hear SOMEone thinking there could be brindle color there because:

Hipsebah, A^vy/a c^e/c s/s Sa/sa Spl/*
Mr. Saturday Dance, A?/a c^e/c^e s/s sa/sa/ Spl/spl

so if you are thinking you see broken brindle, you've gotta be seeing brindle tricolor! (Bub 2 would be the c^e/c bub.)

Today I am seeing the dark smudges on their faces developing into a barely slightly warmer color than the dark smudges on their behinds. Their behind colors definitely look beige and are evenly beige. The face colors are, well, some dark hairs and some less dark hairs, which I guess would describe brindle--but they're not orangey! Possibly tinted a bit orange. Hipsebah's orange was really orange, as were the other brindles in her line. Funny! And also weird because Hipsebah's line is usually undermarked brindles, and there are darker hairs mixed in. That would be great, so I wouldn't have to breed in stripes!

But at least it seems I have a chance at brindle tri with all but Bub 4, whose face color looks pretty even. Wow!

Waitaminnit! Bub 1 couldn't be brindle tri. She has a black spot! So it's up to Bubs 2 and 3--or both! And they are opposite genders (crossing fingers)!

Oh, crumb! I labelled them backwards in the first photo. Bub 1 is the one with the black by her eye. So it's Bub 1 on the right and Bub 4 on the left.

Awwwwwllllright!
Bub 1's nickname is Eye Spot.
Bub 2's nickname is Ivory.
Bub 3's nickname is Head Smudge.
Bub 4's nickname is Butt Spot.
I'm sure they will be teased mercilessly at school!

So it looks like either Ivory or Head Smudge will be brindle tris...maybe...I hope!

No time for pix today. Possibly Fri. Definitely Sat. or Sun.
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Post by Rhasputin on Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:15 pm

Ann, brindle tris can have solid black spots. Think about how Roland wants to breed calico using brindles.
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by Mrs. Beach on Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:04 pm

Shit! Those three bubs are agouti! Mr. S. D. is probably A/a! I described hairs dark at the ends. So what does an agouti brindle look like?

Rhasputin, this is what I understand:

Stina explained to me (and I think I have this right) that the splashed gene uncovers the original color of the mouse, which is black diluted by A^vy=orange.

Roland says he wants to breed "tricolors" from American brindles by breeding the black spots larger, so they're like those orange, black,a nd white guiniea pigs mystdusnendt
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by Rhasputin on Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:31 pm

Stina explained to me (and I think I have this right) that the splashed gene uncovers the original color of the mouse, which is black diluted by A^vy=orange.


I don't understand what you're saying here. Splash consists of base and dilute colour. If your base is multiple colours (brindle) then you will have base (orange / black) and dilutes of those colours (which are dependent upon the type of dilution). If it's also pied, you will have white.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:02 pm

c^e--extreme dilute--removes all yellow (the melaninwhatever starting with ph), c^e-diluted A^vy turns beige with black stripes, like Mrs. Beach in my avatar. The undiluted color is A^vy orange.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:43 am

Was thinking A-locus. If Hip is A^vy/a and Mr. S. D. is A/a, then I should have one a/a bub, one A/a bub, one A^vy/a bub, and one A/A^vy bub. Hmmmm. This should be interesting!
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by tinyhartmouseries on Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:46 am

Ann, you ought to try to get bigger spotting patterns going in your mice...less confusion... Run away!
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by Mrs. Beach on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:03 am

I agree! These are the first.

Here are some closeups of noses and tails. Day 9.













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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by tinyhartmouseries on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:09 am

It's very possible that all those are A-vy...the spots are just too small to tell!
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by Mrs. Beach on Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:32 pm

I just got out my 10x magnifier and brushed the little hairs of their little spots backwards. Ivory and Head Smudge are the agoutis. Eye Spot is a/a. Out of Ivory, Head Smudge, and Butt Spot, two of them are A^vy. I'm hoping Butt Spot is because he'd be A^vy/a. I don't want A.
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by kawmice on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:46 pm

They are cute. Happy
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:11 pm

That, they are! I love their little noses!
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by Mrs. Beach on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:15 pm

Is this reasoning right?

A^vy/a x A/a = A/A^vy, A/a, A^vy/a and a/a.

Ivory or Head Smudge are A/A^vy or A/a.
Eye Spot is a/a.
Does this mean that Butt Spot is automatically, guaranteed, by default A^vy/a? I think it does!
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by GypsyTails on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:25 pm

I still love the Black head spot baby!

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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by Mrs. Beach on Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:19 pm

Gypsy, one of these bubs--I forget which--has Queen Victoria's nose! (Hey, I may not need Eye Spot, the one you like, for my breeding program, depending on how the others turn out. Would you like to have her?)
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Post by tinyhartmouseries on Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:07 pm

Ann to the best of my knowledge, Avy will always be expressed over A....so it will be listed Avy/A. So, that baby will not be agouti unless it's A/a or A/A.

To throw a wrench into the gears, I've had brindles that were so overmarked they were phenotypically agoutis, but geneotypically Brindle.
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Post by kawmice on Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:32 pm

Wow. Genetics can definately be confusing , especially with brindle is seems. Lol
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:45 am

Thanks for the A-locus correction, tinyhart. I had mistakenly thought that since A was a base color, it would go first.

OK, Ivory and Head Smudge both have hairs on their face spots that are dark from a third out, but white or light from the root to one third the length of the hairs. That sounds agouti to me. Ticked. C-diluted ticked. c^e/c^e removes the yellow and leaves the black. That is what I am seeing. There are also beige spots on these mice. Waitaminnit! How could that be? How could their beige (diluted) spots be beige and then they have c-diluted agouti spots, too?
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:58 pm

Ivory is definitely A^vy! The light blush on her nose and lower face is turning a bit orange (c^e/c-diluted A^vy) with black stripes!!!!!!!
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:12 am

Some pix. Ivory is to the left of Eye Spot (the one with the black spot by her eye):






Tinyhart, Ivory is the one you said earlier looked like a broken brindle. Do you still think she's brindle?

Sorry the pix aren't that definitive. The color and stripes were very clear this morning. This evening the light was different.
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Post by Mrs. Beach on Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:20 am

BTW, this is Day 12 and their eyes are opening! They will officially be 12 days old at 2:00 a.m. Isn't this remarkably early? They are remarkably large babies. Has anyone else ever seen this happen? I thought eyes opened on Day 14.
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Re: Hipsebah is pregnant!

Post by lunalady on Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:15 am

I must say they are huge bubs. Theirs noses are so blunt, compared to my pet mouse's bubs. They are beautiful.

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